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Buying Mods? Is this a joke?!

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Im sorry but what?! why can you buy/sell mods on this forum, that's not a good thing, mods aren't meant to be a product sold by people to turn a profit. Hytale your starting to give off bad impressions that this game might end up having a dreadful marketplace just like Minecraft did with the minecraft store with Mine-Coins... dont become Bethesda and Microsoft Guys :/
 

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Look, this is just the beginning of an idea... We already know Hytale will have amazing modding capabilities. There is nothing wrong with developers earning revenue for their work. We aren't even sure that Hytale will allow client-sided mods. You have a valid point, but you have to consider everything.
 

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I can understand it with huge plugins and frameworks that are paid but im not sure about mods, it would always be nice if they were free but this would hold back a lot of talent that cant afford to just spend free time on a mod that doesn't get them anywhere. However you do filter the ones out that just wanna do it for the money and after you should modify the game because you want to modify it.
 

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Just saying, this is what started to kill minecraft, I was hoping Hytale would stay safe and do the right thing
 

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I can understand it with huge plugins and frameworks that are paid but im not sure about mods, it would always be nice if they were free but this would hold back a lot of talent that cant afford to just spend free time on a mod that doesn't get them anywhere. However you do filter the ones out that just wanna do it for the money and after you should modify the game because you want to modify it.
Well, you have a valid point. But you have to understand if the mod is being sold, you aren't required to purchase it. And I doubt mods will give any in-game advantage to the players. The mods will mostly just be for ease of life access, custom animations, fun items & cosmetics to make your experience more enjoyable while playing the game. So if developers are just doing it for money, they 100% can..
 

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Well, you have a valid point. But you have to understand if the mod is being sold, you aren't required to purchase it. And I doubt mods will give any in-game advantage to the players. The mods will mostly just be for ease of life access, custom animations, fun items & cosmetics to make your experience more enjoyable while playing the game. So if developers are just doing it for money, they 100% can..
Whether It Gives any advantages or not, its not right. Plugins could be sold since people who were hosting servers themselfs were looking to make a profit, people who want to use mods are trying to "add flavour" to the vanilla game. Its Highly Un-Consumer
 

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"Highly Un-Consumer" A community made product? Which took hours of their time and hard work? People need to eat too, and not everyone is doing it as a passion project.

This part of the forum is not only meant for BUYING or SELLING products, but can be used for that.
If somebody is looking to make money, there are other jobs available. Using a game made by other people as a way of making money is not right, mods were never meant to reach a point where people are trying to sell them. Its upsetting, but we all knew this would happen, just like people selling CS:Go Skins, or Selling Mods for Bethesda games in the Bethesdsa Merketplace :/
 

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Yet you're okay with Plugins being sold?

"Using a game made by other people as a way of making money is not right"

Is literally how every server on MC makes their money, people couldn't provide these servers for free, it all costs money.
Plugins are only used by companies, look at Hypixel, Mineplex, ect... every one of these servers are looking to turn a profit, therefore its a trade between two people looking to make a profit, no bunch of friends are going to get a NPC Plugin for their server if they are just jerking off, they are probably gonna play vanilla, the plugins are made to make money and we all know it, and while i dont like it, it isnt being bought by consumers, but rather companies trying to win over consumers.
 

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Im sorry but what?! why can you buy/sell mods on this forum, that's not a good thing, mods aren't meant to be a product sold by people to turn a profit. Hytale your starting to give off bad impressions that this game might end up having a dreadful marketplace just like Minecraft did with the minecraft store with Mine-Coins... dont become Bethesda and Microsoft Guys :/
I think you don't understand some things here. First of all you're saying: "Hytale your starting to give off bad impressions" This is a community hosted forum and has nothing to do with the hypixel studio's team second of all servers need plugins. I hosted a couple of server and can't program myself so I paid people to make plugins for me that is just how it works. People can't do everything for free. and third of all mods are free. But if someone makes a premium mod that provides alot of features for example a worldedit mod with more features they can ask money for it. It's nothing done by hypixel it's all communtiy sided.
 
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Plugins are only used by companies, look at Hypixel, Mineplex, ect... every one of these servers are looking to turn a profit, therefore its a trade between two people looking to make a profit, no bunch of friends are going to get a NPC Plugin for their server if they are just jerking off, they are probably gonna play vanilla, the plugins are made to make money and we all know it, and while i dont like it, it isnt being bought by consumers, but rather companies trying to win over consumers.
Just replying to agree with JSKF. Isn't there gonna be forums for hytale anyway? This is a huge cashgrab!
 

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Just replying to agree with JSKF. Isn't there gonna be forums for hytale anyway? This is a huge cashgrab!
You know that Hytale Hub isn't selling these mods or plugins right? People from the community that invest time are.
 
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well, you dont have to stay :) we like the forums, i think its going an intresting way.

btt:
i think paid mods and paid plugins are okay. There will still be free ones, but the ebst work deserves some money
Sorry, I shouldn't have been as I was in my last post. I still think this might just end up as a place to download mods and buy ad space.
 

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If this thread proceeds into something nasty, It‘ll end up locked, thanks.
 

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Mods are made to help people. If you want to pay for it, good. If you don't want to, then just don't buy it. That is fair.

End discussion.
 
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Just saying, this is what started to kill minecraft, I was hoping Hytale would stay safe and do the right thing
it never killed mincraft, the stuff what killed minecraft is the hacks and people being absolute rude (Ddossing and other things), making plugins didn't kill minecraft it made it better soo people would enjoy it more!
 

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whoever support this
is just a Pussy want shoutout
if u are clever dont been this stupid
 

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whoever support this
is just a Pussy want shoutout
if u are clever dont been this stupid
premium plugins have always cost money why can't they ask for money in this game?
 

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I think the author of this thread is a little bit confused.

We are not "selling" mods. We are doing the same thing that Spigot, Bukkit, and MC Market do. We are creating the opportunity for content creators to sell their work - should they choose to do so. I'm not sure why you're so alarmed by this. This is nothing new. Plugins have been traded/bought/sold on Minecraft community websites for over a decade now. It seems like you're just trying to start drama.
 

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As a future mod creator for this game, I'm split. on one side modpacks would be harder to make and it might cause a lot of issues down the line, for instance, simple mods that are sold here while a free version is created in protest. that being said I love knowing that my hard work might pay off it inspires me to do my best to give it my all. but of course I'm not sure what the hytale creators think of all this for all i know they could shut it down and say "free only"
 

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Lul, it's obvious that microsoft is killing minecraft, they want to kill the pc version, so they can use the mobile javascript version on pc.

it has nothing to do with plugin/mod's being sold, it has to do with server owner's not having money due to minecraft eula to afford them.
at the same time halting new plugin's and mod's development for minecraft due to the low income of devs accompanied by the crazy breaker updates of microsoft, but this last thing wouldn't be much of an issue on hytale because the server is "mostly open source", so most devs would be willing to migrate to hytale, the question is whether is profitable or not, because anything less than $500/mo is not worth it. (like minecraft is now)

before microsoft took over minecraft most minecraft dev's could earn $750-$1250 / mo
 
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before microsoft took over minecraft most minecraft dev's could earn $750-$1250 / mo
Completely wrong. Many other developers, including me, earn much more than that in a week, developing for Minecraft servers. 750$-1250$ per month is breadcrumbs for actual developers that have major knowledge and know what they're doing.

In general, I don't understand all of the other users claiming that "Minecraft is dying", while there's still so much money to be made.

As for not being allowed to sell something you worked hours or even weeks for -- stupidly hilarious to begin with.
 

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Im sorry but what?! why can you buy/sell mods on this forum, that's not a good thing, mods aren't meant to be a product sold by people to turn a profit. Hytale your starting to give off bad impressions that this game might end up having a dreadful marketplace just like Minecraft did with the minecraft store with Mine-Coins... dont become Bethesda and Microsoft Guys :/
You are jumping to conclusions too quickly. Premium Resources is exactly the reason why the Minecraft community is still running today. There are servers that lack resources and will therefore need to purchase them which is fair. Developers spend hours working on their resources and yes there are some individuals who may take advantage of this concept. That is where the review section comes in, it is your own responsibility to purchase resources online. Luckily Pottertale is able to avoid purchasing resources from commercial developers.

That leads to my second perspective as Hytale is more like a game engine than a game. You create your own content and assets. If you do not have the skill or resources to produce your own product to the public then there is no reason to run your own community in the first place. Places like HytaleHub will provide some essentials but in the end you will have todo most of the work yourself.

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Completely wrong. Many other developers, including me, earn much more than that in a week, developing for Minecraft servers. 750$-1250$ per month is breadcrumbs for actual developers that have major knowledge and know what they're doing.

In general, I don't understand all of the other users claiming that "Minecraft is dying", while there's still so much money to be made.

As for not being allowed to sell something you worked hours or even weeks for -- stupidly hilarious to begin with.
if you say so then why hytale doesn't pay more than 2k usd to devs? or does it pays?
 

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You don't make sense :(
it makes sense, if making minecraft plugins make more than 1kusd for everyone, then why would anyone apply to work with hytale for a salary of 1.5kusd?

it just means, you just cannot make money on minecraft unless you really put "effort in it".
but you could also put that effort in something more profitable and earn many times more.

there are plugin dev that earned 5k+ usd from a plugin, but have you seen when they maded them? most of them were maded in 2014-2015 and some in 2016, it would count as extra money but it won't be enough to work seriously for.

minecraft is also limited, so there isn't much variety at all and oldest plugin's monopolized the market, and competing with them it's a waste of time to begin with even if your plugin has X better features.
 
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it makes sense, if making minecraft plugins make more than 1kusd for everyone, then why would anyone apply to work with hytale for a salary of 1.5kusd?

it just means, you just cannot make money on minecraft unless you really put "effort in it".
but you could also put that effort in something more profitable and earn many times more.

there are plugin dev that earned 5k+ usd from a plugin, but have you seen when they maded them? most of them were maded in 2014-2015 and some in 2016, it would count as extra money but it won't be enough to work seriously for.

minecraft is also limited, so there isn't much variety at all and oldest plugin's monopolized the market, and competing with them it's a waste of time to begin with even if your plugin has X better features.
You're talking about stuff too specifically, which doesn't represent the bigger, more accurate spectrum.
 

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You're talking about stuff too specifically, which doesn't represent the bigger, more accurate spectrum.
Are you saying that we should talk about being hired for a minecraft server? because from all the thread's that i saw most big server's are willing to pay between 500-1kusd to dev's, and if they have a "main developer" they would probably fork out around 2k cash.

but i doubt that in this day and age of minecraft they would paid even 1.5k to their main developers cuz minecraft is going to die and everyone is wanting to squish juice from it yet they had to release an eula to prevent minecraft from being squished so fast not that it would work out.
 

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Are you saying that we should talk about being hired for a minecraft server? because from all the thread's that i saw most big server's are willing to pay between 500-1kusd to dev's, and if they have a "main developer" they would probably fork out around 2k cash.

but i doubt that in this day and age of minecraft they would paid even 1.5k to their main developers cuz minecraft is going to die and everyone is wanting to squish juice from it yet they had to release an eula to prevent minecraft from being squished so fast not that it would work out.
Like @Norska said "You're talking about stuff too specifically, which doesn't represent the bigger, more accurate spectrum."

There is a lot of development work in the background that happens in both parties. Really depends what kind of development you do. Working for an actual game will 100% give developers to earn more money rather than working for a community. However due to Hytale having no source of income from their actual release the payment will be limited at this moment.

Why look at statistics when Hytale is not even ready. Sorry but this discussion is honestly a waste of time.

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Like @Norska said "You're talking about stuff too specifically, which doesn't represent the bigger, more accurate spectrum."

There is a lot of development work in the background that happens in both parties. Really depends what kind of development you do. Working for an actual game will 100% give developers to earn more money rather than working for a community. However due to Hytale having no source of income from their actual release the payment will be limited at this moment.

Why look at statistics when Hytale is not even ready. Sorry but this discussion is honestly a waste of time.

Thanks,
Pottertale.
i don't think so, i'm talking about the true most bigger important spectrum eons beyond what your simple mind's can think of.
that's why you don't understand nor even think about understanding it.

why minecraft is falling? it's because they make it fall.

if you say so then why talk about hytale if hytale is not released? you don't make any sense potato.

why look at clothes if you are gonna buy some? it's because you have to select something that you like or need.

#Hytale is sponsored by riot games
 
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A mod takes time, effort and resources. You should be happy that there are people willing to make their mods free. Developers have not only the right but plenty of reasons why not to make their mods free. Instead of complaining about modders, how about you praise the modders that dó upload mods for free?

While convincing is always an option, telling modders that they should be generous and that you shouldn't have to pay for their work, is incredibly disrespectful. Developers are already an underappreciated and disrespected group, Posts like this only make it worse.

No hate tho, just not a nice post.
 

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A mod takes time, effort and resources. You should be happy that there are people willing to make their mods free. Developers have not only the right but plenty of reasons why not to make their mods free. Instead of complaining about modders, how about you praise the modders that dó upload mods for free?

While convincing is always an option, telling modders that they should be generous and that you shouldn't have to pay for their work, is incredibly disrespectful. Developers are already an underappreciated and disrespected group, Posts like this only make it worse.

No hate tho, just not a nice post.
Couldn't agree more.
 

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There's nothing wrong with selling mods and plugins, and, as said earlier in the thread, we already have places that already do the exact same thing. HytaleHub isn't the one selling plugins and mods, this section of the forums only exists so that developers have the opportunity to turn a profit on something they probably spent a lot of time on.

There is your TL;DR. Still don't get it? Think about it this way:
Imagine you've just created a super cool awesome mod for a game that is full to the brim with features, but has cost you a lot of money to develop and possibly to pay other people to create things like graphics for your mod. Some developers will release the mod for free anyway and accept donations, others will sell the mod, and some will sell the mod and accept donations. Free developers get nothing back from what they create except the love of the community and the donations, but developers who sell their work get back what they put in, as well as the love of the community.

Again, this is your super cool awesome mod that is totally awesome and completely free of plagiarism. Not all mods are like this. Sometimes, especially on sites like SpigotMC, you see some junk that someone developed that they are selling. If no one buys it, the developer is at a loss and cannot improve their mod. If it was free, people may actually download it and provide valuable feedback. It's a struggle to make the decision of whether to monetize your mod or to release it for free. Both ways have their own advantages and disadvantages, but in the end it's up to the developer who made the mod to do what he wants with the mod.

Note: I'm leaving mod as the generic term it is, a modification. I'm not worried about splitting it up into plugins and mods. They're both the same thing: a modification to the base game.
 
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